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Post by VZero on Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:21 pm

there is a demo available in japan already for the 3ds version. and people found out about alot of new stuff
here is the rundown

- Chrom appears in robins victory pose.
-Robin: His hair color changes, but not the model
-Robin is FANTASTIC. Magic is not slow, when he has his spell book his attack speed is really good. If you use a smash attack in the air IT USES HIS MAGIC SMASHES. If you use a normal aerial it uses his other weapon.

He has two swords, the magic and the non-magic one. (Forgive me, not an awakening veteran).
All of tilts are using the physical sword. They have good combo ability. All of his smashes use the magic sword, which has an electric effect.
When in the air, if you use the inputs for a smash attack (and you still have the magic sword available), you will do an aerial that uses the magic sword. If you just typically hit an aerial he will use the normal sword.
You use up your magic sword quite quickly but it regenerates rather fast so it's not like it ruins your tempo. Very fast.

The fire move we've seen is actually a fireball that comes from above robins head and rains down in the vicinity in front of robin. His neutral b shoots and electric lightnig bolt straight across the stage.
The healing move is his down b and you would be surprised to know it heals for a LOT (I healed for about 20%) and it stuns your opponent while you heal. It has a start up though so it's not as easy to land as any regular grab. I can see Robin being a PAIN IN THE *** to people who can't avoid getting caught in it. Unsure if you can force break it from slapping buttons, I only played AS him.
His up b jumps up a bit and shoots wind slicers down. Important to note it's actually not straight up, he jumps jump and slides slightly to the side in the direction you're facing THEN shoots them down, so it can be a ground option too.

Marth feels very nerfed. His range seems even worse than in Brawl (I was whiffing fsmashes like crazy and I'm pretty good with tippers). Aside fr his range and no ability to double fair he seems mostly the same, aside from running faster. It's his range that REALLY feels kinda killer to His melee/brawl play style.
Tipper ing with Marth seems to require your opponent to be a lot closer than ever before, it seems he won't be as much of a spacing monster as he's always been.
This can't be overstated enough, his range feels significantly shorter (by significantly I mean that it's noticeable. It's all relative of course), and seems to be his most notable nerf. Spacing his tippers seems to Be considerably more skill-based due to the range needed.

-Shulks standing a is a 3 hit combo
-Shulks up b is a TWO PART combo
-You can choose to do the second part by inputting b again
-Basically he swipes up like dolphin slash
-If you hit b again he will do a swipe in front of him and send the opponent flying
-His up smash is sort of like palutena, except a much smaller pillar of light coming from his monado
-I think his running dash attack is just a sword swipe. Don't quote me on that I didn't take it to memory (As I quote him anyway lol)
-Shulk lunges forward and swipes down with his forward b In to the ground
-When you press neutral b it changes the insignia. Can't change while rolling, unsure attacking
-His bair he shoves his sword behind him without even turning around like under his arm.
-Shulk has the underpants alt we all know about, rest are recolors
- Shulks second jump is a somersault. Feels funny. All his smash attacks have a strange millisecond-ish load-up time before they come out. The Monado powering up or whatever.
- Shulk has amazing spacing options because his Monado reaches so damn far

- Pacmans costumes change his gloves and shoes
- Pacmans forward a is a combo like Marth except with punches
- his down aerial is like lucarios except he kicks like 2-3 times.
- Pac Man is SLOW. Every single one of his aerials are kicks. His forward aerial is a double kick, his back air is like Mario. The thing that stood our about him is his utter sluggish-ness. His fall speed is like brawl. His run speed is slow. His forward b sends a pellet out in front of him, and then he turns in to classic pacman and boosts towards it. It's kind of like greninja'd shadow sneak thing except you can't time it.
- Pacman. He feels slow, but his attacks felt like they had a good hitbox, because he's really fat and his legs stretch when he kicks. He just felt really interesting to play, but I ended up using his aerials the most because of their hit boxes.
-Pac-Man: His color doesn't change, but he wears accessories.

-Link: Fierce Diety, White, Purple
- Fierce Diety Link confirmed (Face changes too)
- White tunic and Purple tunic confirmed
- His down air has less recovery frames, but doesn't have as much knockback.
- Boomerang throwing animation is more reminiscent of how it used to look in 64
- link has a costume with like red markings under his eyes. It looks nothing like link... But his eyes are whitened and has red markings and he's dark colored clothing. There's also a white and blue link.

-Dark red charizard, Blue charizard
- Charizard can be purple, yellow, red, grey
- Charizard's up throw is seismic toss, similar to Kirby's throw.
-Charizard: Shiny Charizard

- I made a mistake for the light blue costume of ZSS it's actually gray
-ZSS comes in dark blue, green, black, and red.

-No dark pit costume.
-Pits side b fist has a bad lag if you whiff, big KO power if you hit at higher %s

-Captain falcon still has his knee of justice but they made HUGE landing lag. His side b still does strike dmg (I'm sorry), I think I misinterpreted a guy next to me who was playing him say that. Shouldn't have said it without confirming myself
- Captain falcons uppercut (side B) doesn't do strike dmg anymore, only a grab his up b goes straight up

Little Mac has 16 costumes! He has 8 costumes for his fleshy self, and 8 costumes for his wireframe

- Pikachu: Gold/Silver's Trainer Hat, X/Y's Trainer hat, Party hat returns
- Glasses Pikachu confirmed
- Pikachu has a hat with sunglasses on the front costume, and a fighter headband (red and black colored I think).

- Lucario has a purple and green skin and dark grey skin. Rest are shades of blue.

- No Masked DDD alt

- Diddy kong only gets 1 banana. If you pull another It disappears

-Peach's forward B has BARELY any startup time anymore (the butt slam)
- Peach: Fire Peach color
- Peach's turnip pull speed is nerfed. She can still move in to float to do things like crown and nair. Her fsmash goes tennis club, golf club, and frying pan. I believe it's a set order now.
- Peach is unchanged except for her up aerial. It's now a rainbow thing, it has an arched hitbox over the top of her head, she draws it with her hand.

- Wolf deconfirmed
- Fox has an alternate skinThat looks exactly like wolf. He's gray fur, purple eye device and grayish clothing. It's the only skin that changes foxes fur. This is only a color, NOT a costume

- Zelda has a white costume
-Zelda has no alternate costumes only colors
- Zelda's new phantom move: It doesn't hit a character right up in her grill. The phantom spawns maybe a character away, so if your opponent is right up on you, the phantom will just spawn in front of them and whiff.

- Meta knights up b is like Marth's up b. It hits people like once and sorta knocks them away and has an upward direction to it.
His tornado still has a lot of hits but you can DI it pretty easy because the hits are actually less frequent, I don't know yet about its priority.
-Meta Knight: Dark Meta, Galacta Knight

- No Metal Sonic. Shades of Blue/One White skin
- Sonic still dies pitifully if you end up in a spin without a jump

- Megaman has yellow
- megaman has a green/orange costume, and white/red costume, a blue and white costume

- Marth has an Orange Skin
- Marth double fair is not possible

-There is no island toon link costume.
- toon link has the four swords colors + old style link color, the black with red eyes.

- lucario is unchanged except his smash attacks feel MUCH faster.

- palutena's smash reach is incredible. Her up smash is the giant pillar laser beam thing. Her side smash moves a bit forward and her wings slap in front of her.
- Palutena: Viridi color

- Olimar: Alph (full model change)

- Black and purple Yoshi colors confirmed

- Ike feels unchanged. I was never an Ike main so I don't know the specifics but his attacks were all the same general thing, nothing new I noticed.

- villagers up b is the most overpowered recovery I've ever seen.

-Back Ledge Grabbing is back
-Shield while running
-Fast falling is pretty swift. It also has the ash 64 effect sparkle when you do the input.
-There is no Melee dash dancing. It's incredibly hard to do with the circle pad but it's essentially the same thing as brawls. IE not super useful or practical.
- the ledge is DEFINITELY tougher to grab and there is no snap. Unfortunately both Marth and Shulk flip for their 2nd jump so I could not test ledge re-grabbing within a short window of time because it waits for their flip animation to finish before actually grabbing.
- The game still has a sense of floatiness to it that is present in brawl. It's definitely not like Melee where you drop like bricks.
- Shield rolling is extremely fast and there's a neat little sparkle star effect when you do it and acting out of shield is as well. I think of it like a mini-wave dash. No wave dashing or l-cancelling. Just rolling baby.
- Ledge snap SEVERELY nerfed. I feels like Melee ledge grab.
- whoever is worried about combos, there are combos.
-I could no re-grab the ledge directly after letting go and jumping back in to obvious grab range.
- Pivot cancel is still in
- Lucina is not playable.(DEMO)


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Post by Bander on Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:58 pm

Meta Knight got nerfed, maybe I can finally beat god.

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Post by fizz on Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:38 pm

I'm just happy that Peach's butt slam (whatever it's called) is finally usable.

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Post by shadowray7 on Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:18 pm

Robin being able to heal 20% as long as he can land Nosferatu.

Sounds beyond OP.

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Post by VZero on Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:33 am

yeah the meta knight nerf is good lol
and i agree that Robin does look like a really good character. we shall see in the final release.
also Shulk sounds really fun to play as. definitely will be giving him a try

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Post by Raigeki on Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:48 pm

Cool. I can probably use Meta Knight because I like the character now and no one will frown upon me lol

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